Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination

It’s fitting for a political blogger, I suppose, that this 1000th post on the site is one detailing why I plan to vote for Hillary Clinton in Georgia’s primary next year.

As some of you regular readers will know, I became a Democrat in May of this year, following the GOP’s shooting itself in the foot with their attempt at “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”. I caught a little bit of flak for that (far less than I expected, really), but I’m still happy with the decision. I’ve certainly not shifted left in my views (which, where domestic policy is concerned, were never of the social con variety in any case), and I think I’ve done a pretty good job of refraining from netroots-type attacks on my former party.

The other thing that really hasn’t changed is my personal theory on how I decide to vote for a presidential candidate. That’s probably a subject for a separate post, but the nuts and bolts of it are that the letter appended after the candidate’s name matters much less than the authenticity a candidate displays while defending policies or positions with which I agree — Or proposing new policies that I may or may not agree with, but feel would serve the country well. I think there’s a lot of utility in working to have a political party control one or both houses of Congress, so that checks and balances can remain in place, or particularly bad administrations can be hogtied somewhat. There’s far less utility in determining who one will vote for for the office of President based on their party affiliation.

The President has to make decisions that affect the entire country, and everyone in it. He or she must ultimately drive the national conversation, even if it’s only in attempts to convince us that this or that bill, or policy will serve all of our ends. That’s a difficult enough job in peacetime, but like many other Americans, I believe we are still very much at war with people who want very badly to kill us, or at the very least frighten us so badly that we favor their own advantages over ours. The most important front in that war, at this moment in time, is Iraq.

The Democratic party of today has a very large problem with voters like myself, in that we don’t entirely trust them to aggressively prosecute that war, or to maintain an emphasis on protecting the United States during these dangerous times. That’s entirely the party’s fault, given that they’ve spent virtually all of their time since voting (most of them, anyway) to approve the AUMF trying to convince people that despite that vote, the war was (and is) a bad idea. A lot of that is politics as usual, but given the Vietnam-shaded prism that I view these things through, it seems to me that the Democratic leadership is interested primarily in two things: Embarrassing George W. Bush and the Republican party, and re-living their perceived glory days of the 1960’s and 70’s. They have believed that the only way to do that is to force a withdrawal from Iraq, and they’ve damned the consequences of such a move.

All three of the frontrunners for the Democratic nomination have served in the United States Senate, and to a degree, all of them have been complicit in efforts by the liberal Democratic leadership to undermine both the president and the war effort. In some cases, those efforts were probably driven by political necessity, in others, by personal conviction. Unfortunately, political necessity, on the Democratic side of the aisle, is tied very closely with the interests of the liberals in leadership and their desire to foist a “progressive” agenda on the country…a country I still don’t believe is as liberal as the Democratic leadership would like it to be.

What is it, then, that separates Clinton from Edwards and Obama? It certainly isn’t any sterling record in the Senate, and it definitely isn’t her husband’s record as president. It’s not that I see her as any less dissembling than Edwards or Obama, or any less nakedly ambitious. No, the deciding factor for me (having already decided against any of the Republican candidates) is that Hillary Clinton hasn’t taken up liberal positions she doesn’t support during this primary process in order to cater to the grassroots or “netroots” of her party, and that she has defended her disagreements with those groups in no uncertain terms. That tells me this much: She’s not going to cave to pressure by those groups should she win the presidency either.

I’ve been of the opinion for quite some time now that the only way to move forward on Iraq in the current national mood is to put Democrats in charge of it. Even given the slim majority enjoyed by the Democrats in the current congress, their efforts in regard to Iraq have been ludicrously partisan, slanted severely towards their base, which wants nothing less than a complete capitulation in the war, and immediate and total withdrawal. The Democrats in Congress, along with their cheerleaders in the “netroots” don’t honestly believe that immediate withdrawal is the best policy…what they believe is that anything that would damage the Republican party would be good for the country.

Having watched this campaign as it has unfolded, I think an acceptable Plan “B” is to put a Democrat in the White House who not only has voted in a manner consistent with a national security outlook I agree with, but who I think has the courage and determination necessary to stick to her guns on that outlook without caving in to the liberals in her party whose only concerns are partisanship and a fierce dislike of the current president. A Democrat who was, however peripherally, part of an administration that understood the ramifications of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq cooperating with Terrorists (yes, yes — perhaps not Al-Qaeda, but explain Salman Pak?), and who has concentrated her criticism of the war on its execution, rather than its legitimacy.

Do I have concerns about Hillary Clinton? You bet I do. No one would be hard pressed to find instances in the past where I’ve stated I would never vote for her, based on what I think is her disdain for professional military officers and some of her more liberal inclinations. Hell, for that matter, I actually don’t like the Senator from New York, to the extent that at times, I come close to understanding how the Kossacks feel about George W. Bush. I’m more concerned, however, with two things: I believe she’d do a good job of governing from somewhere near the center on domestic policy (especially if Congress remains as closely split as it is today), and I believe she’s closer to where I am on national security policy than any of the other Democratic candidates for president.

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34 Responses

  1. NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

    (Not that I’m in favor of anyone better, I just can’t bring myself to support Hillbillary. I’m even considering reregistering as an Independent)

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  3. My concern is that the role of Presidents will read as follows:

    Bush
    Clinton
    Bush
    Clinton

    I think it sets a bad precedent in terms of how we are setting up a ruling class that is based on who you are related to. Yes, I know we are more than halfway there (Gore’s father was also a Senator, if I recall correctly), but I don’t want to encourage the trend. It’s too bad Ms. Clinton appears to be the best qualified Democratic candidate, although I do like Richardson as well. I think former Governors make better Presidents than Senators do.

  4. I’m not concerned over the “dynastic” issue, as Sullivan might put it. Hillary Clinton would certainly be the end of any such trend for the near future, as Chelsea hasn’t the training (or apparently the inclination, bless her heart) for the job, Jeb Bush doesn’t seem interested, and George P. Bush doesn’t warrant worrying about just yet (if ever, considering how badly his uncle has been demonized).

    Yeah, Gore’s father was a very powerful Senator, actually. A formidable guy. Far more qualified for the presidency than his son.

    Richardson has good points, I agree. His inclination to shoot from the hip, however, bothers me quite a bit. I too would prefer to see a Governor take the top job, but unfortunately, none of the Governors in this particular race seem to have the traits one would look for.

  5. Oh. So Jeb isn’t interested? Well, nobody expected W to be interested either.

    After 8 years of Hillary, Jeb will run. You can take that to the bank, friend.

  6. Whatever you’re smoking, Joe, it ain’t tobacco.

  7. Golly. All those words, and you still end up sounding like an idiot. Hillary will do nothing for ANY of the point (yes “point” because obviously you only have ONE) you listed. Moron.

  8. Your a fucking idiot. Why not hold your vote? Don’t vote for anybody, that is an option dip.
    Hillary is a lying, socialist cunt. You can’t trust her on anything.
    But you made the choice to be a dip shit, so go ahead and stink.
    Asshole.

  9. Excellent post, and a well though out explanation.

    Your reasoning is why I voted for Bush Jr. for re-election after being a solid democrat for all of my voting life. We both agree that we need to elect a president that will follow through and finish both the war in Iraq and Afghanistan without turning either into another Vietnam. My main fear with any of the democrats is that once the third check from the executive branch is removed, there wouldn’t be anything stopping them from continuing down their suicidal path of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. I don’t understand why you believe that if Clinton gets elected that this wouldn’t happen simply because she has ignored a few of the crazier nutroots. She preaches the same anti-american garbage that the rest of the Dems have been doing for the last 6 years.

    A Brief Example-
    http://britainandamerica.typepad.com/britain_and_america/2007/12/hillary-clinton.html
    “We had a historic opportunity to build a broad global coalition to combat terror, increase the impact of our diplomacy, and create a world with more partners and fewer adversaries. But we lost that opportunity by refusing to let the UN inspectors finish their work in Iraq and rushing to war instead. Moreover, we diverted vital military and financial resources from the struggle against al Qaeda and the daunting task of building a Muslim democracy in Afghanistan. At the same time, we embarked on an unprecedented course of unilateralism: refusing to pursue ratification of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, abandoning our commitment to nuclear nonproliferation, and turning our backs on the search for peace in the Middle East. Our withdrawal from the Kyoto Protocol and refusal to participate in any international effort to deal with the tremendous challenges of climate change further damaged our international standing…”

    This is your “understands the ramifications of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq cooperating with Terrorists” candidate?

    The one who now thinks she was “misled” by Bush in regards to the AUMF?

    I’m with you on why we need to elect who we need to elect, but I don’t come up with Clinton. The only problem is that my answer would be Thompson, and it isn’t looking good for him in the primaries.

  10. Hmmmm. Something tells me you’re wearing a tin nose, since you’ve clearly cut it off to spite your face.

    Hillary “I’m Ready for My Closeup, Mr. Kos!” Clinton as Prez? PUH-LEEZE. If Her Majesty does shimmy and shake into the Oval Orifice I’ve got a sawbuck in hand, right now, that says on the morning of January 20th, 2010, you’ll spit into the mirror before shaving and whine, “What the f*** was I thinking on Election Day?”

  11. If Thompson somehow ekes out the win in the primary, I’ll vote for him. But being that is never going to happen I’m going to lose my hard won R credentials and vote Hillary. I don’t like it, and it’s going to be a mess, but it’s going to be a mess any way you look at it. Four more years of Bill. I’m going to be sick now.

  12. I think HRC/Her Majesty will win the nomination.

    The Clinton Attack Machine was superb. They (Shaheen, Bill on Rose lying about his wife’s false/invisible experience, Bill chasing the Des Moines Register editors (all female) to endorse his wife; Kerrey and Penn on TV about drugs, etc.) were good.

    You see Obama lost due to:

    - Clinton Attack Machine (see above)
    - US press failure to check Clinton (and be like Umpire).

    My contributions to Obama have gone to waste.

    If Obama does not make it, I will support McCain.

    We do not want the drama of Clinon man/woman (king/queen) in the White House

  13. As a former screaming liberal who was converted to the Republican Party after two years of Bill and Hill, I can’t imagine anyone who claims to have been a Republican ever voting for Hill-de-Mort. We do need someone who will be stong on defense and against the Islamists. The only rational choices are McCain, Giuliani and Romney, who have the understanding of the threat posed by Islamism, and the mettle to continue to prosecute the war. I’m content with any 2 of these 3, as long as the two can beat the Hill-de-Beast in 2008.

  14. Gee Telly, why hold back? Tell us how you really feel.

    I can see Joe’s point. Hillary is the most Republican out of all the Democrats. For someone who has switched parties due to being dissatisfied, she is the obvious choice. If it weren’t for the fact that it’s Hillary Clinton I might jump on the bandwagon myself, because frankly, the Republican candidates are simply unattractive to me.

  15. And the new blog template is a nice change, Joe!

  16. The idea that Hillary is worth voting for really requires the willing suspension of disbelief.

    In any of the metrics that have been referenced in your many hours of testimony, any fair reading of the advantages and disadvantages accruing post-surge, in my view, end up on the downside.

    :)

  17. A vote for Hillary is like a vote for Spiro Agnew in 1976. The only differences between Hillary and Agnew is that she, the Clinton machine and the Democrat party are effectively exempt from the Rule of Law, and they benefit from a news media that serves to protect them instead of tear them down.

    I wonder if you’ll be proud of your decision.

  18. Almost as lame as the folks who support Hillary because she has a vagina.

    Whatever. There isn’t a single Democrat in the race worthy of the office.

  19. No democrat deserves anyone’s vote until the party, it’s candidates, and its voters apologize to the nation for trying to steal the 2000 election and, once prevented from doing so by due process, constantly questioning the legitimacy of the election. The intentional damage they’ve done to our polity deserves no political support.

    It’s foolish to vote for criminals.

  20. That’s really funny. You became a democrat because of republicans attempt at “comprehensive immigration reform”. It was the republicans that killed it. The democrats are all for it, and you are not making a bit of sense.

  21. Ron nails it regarding the immigration bill excuse for voting for … her.

    If you need a clear image in your mind to stop voting for … her, try this:

    You cannot find a specialist to help you with your current medical condition. Your general physician seems indifferent to your plight. You are puzzled as to why you, a otherwise healthy 72 year-old, has to simply put up with a chronically painful condition for the rest of your life. The government told you that you are placed very low on the rationing list. What happened to health care in America? Oh yeah, you voted for … her.

  22. I just don’t trust her. reports are she uses the f bobm regularly, she is all front, I need somene with real personality.

  23. I don’t disagree with anything in your post. However, having served 22 years in the Army, eight of them under Bill, it’s impossible for me to vote for anyone who so fervently hates my chosen profession, be it in peacetime or wartime.
    It would be like asking the MADD Chairwoman to be CEO of the Jack Daniels distillery. Nothing good could come it.

  24. Voting for Hillary Clinton and electing her means that since 1980, the presidency or vice-presidency in America has been controlled by two families.

  25. I appreciate your post, but I’m still a bit puzzled by it. The Democrats just spent two years trying to pull defeat from the jaws of victory. They tried every trick they could think of (well… except actually de-funding the war), including an all-night gab session where they brought cots into their offices trying to out-last their Republicans.

    If I understand your essay, you believe that the Democrats will suddenly stop all that defeatism and actually fight this war if HRC wins. Not because they are interested in victory, but because losing the war won’t make Republicans look bad. Do I have this right?

    Do you vote for your local sheriff based on how shamed he is about the crime rate?

  26. A little research suggests that Telly may be trolling…

    Hillary is rather the Richard Nixon of the Democratic Party, with slightly more charm and quick-wittedness, slightly less honesty. Tough, experienced (well, sort of), crooked. The New Dick.

  27. Interesting, Joe. Myself, I’m voting for Obama. Enough of the sequel presidencies (Bush II, etc.). Time for a real change.

  28. By the way, for all her supposed “experience” (which she has somehow, remarkably, managed to make the hallmark of her campaign), Hillary has displayed some Huckabee-level ignorance of the situation in Pakistan in recent days. Remember what happened the last time we elected a President who showed a surprising ignorance of the most fundamental facts about Pakistan?

    This is from Ben Smith’s blog at Politico.com:

    Clinton errs on Pakistan

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton was praised in the wake of the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto for demonstrating her command of the players and the issues at stake in Pakistan, even as another candidate, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, was criticized for stumbling over details.

    But in two confident television appearances, on CNN and ABC, Clinton made an elementary error about Pakistani politics: She described President Pervez Musharraf as a “candidate” who would be “on the ballot.”

    In fact, Musharraf was reelected to the presidency in October. The upcoming elections are for parliament, and while Musharraf’s party will be facing off against opposition parties, the president himself is not a candidate.

    “He will NOT be on the ballot,” said a Pakistan scholar at Columbia University, Philip Oldenburg, in an e-mail. “These are parliamentary elections, where the contests are for a seat in the national assembly.
    The prime ministerial candidate typically fights for victory in a local constituency, as well as lead[ing] the party in a national campaign.”

    A spokesman for Clinton, Howard Wolfson, said Clinton was referring to Musharraf’s party, not the president himself.

    And Oldenburg said that “how well the PML-Q, the so-called ‘King’s Party,’ does would in effect be a referendum on Musharraf.”

    But Clinton’s words appear unambiguously to describe Musharraf himself as a candidate.

    “If President Musharraf wishes to stand for election, then he should abide by the same rules that every other candidate will have to follow,” she told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer (.pdf) Dec. 28.

    “He could be the only person on the ballot. I don’t think that’s a real election,” she told ABC’s George Stephanopolous December 30.

    Her error was first noted by a conservative American commentator, Thomas Houlahan.

  29. Let me clarify. It’s taking me a while to spit my points out lately, and I suspect the PTSD effect of returning from the sunny Yucatan coast to find my car stuck in the park-n-fly lot in Logan and New England in the midst a seemingly-endless series of snow-dumps that have ended only early this morning.
    I have two issues with Hillary on foreign policy credentials, only one of which is directly responsive to your post, Joe. The first, off-track, is her supposed experience. She cerainly has less than Biden, Dodd, Richardson and Kucinich and even has less time in office than Obama, yet she has a huge lead in the polls on that quality. I guess she is given credit for her husband’s entire time as President (and Governor?), which seems to me undue even under the most generous treatment of her experience as First Lady.
    The second issue I have is with her judgment. I recognize that she’ll have Bill in the residence and much of his foreign-policy and national-security team at her call (if not in her administration), and that’s generally good. But the President sits in the office and makes the call. You give her credit, Joe, for authorizing the Iraq War and standing by that decision. I see that as an enormous mistake, born largely from insider myopia and an inability or unwillingness to challenge certain assumptions about national security and foreign policy. Bill couldn’t because he was under constant fire as a “draft-dodger” (something he actually did not have the courage of his convictions to be) and a liberal softie. His administration was basically sound in this area but he was extremely reluctant to take any risks, especially after the (overblown) reaction to the Black Hawk Down events in Somalia. He dragged his feet for years on Bosnia and months on Kosovo, and even Haiti was seen as a close call. I expect her administration will perform much the same in this area, should she have one.
    To me, her decision on the Iraq War is a massive failure, indicative of this major flaw. For all her judgment and experience, she authorized this unnecessary war that has been an unmitigated disaster for the interests of the United States. And she refuses to acknowledge her mistake — a point you find attractive, and I find fatal as opposed to any of the other viable Democratic candidates. If she can’t see or won’t admit that this decision was wrong in retrospect, she has some very serious problems as a leader. I don’t know if she really does think that it was the right thing to do (a chilling flaw), or she sees it but can’t see her way clear politically to acknowledge it (reminiscent of Bill’s entire political career, starting with his youthful actions regarding the Vietnam War and continuing throughout).
    I don’t want as President someone who somehow still can’t see clearly the inadvisability of what is probably the single most disastrous foreign policy decision of our nation’s history. Nor do I want someone who realizes it but can’t bring herself to acknowledge it out loud for the sake of “maintaining [her] future political viability” (to quote her husband in his youth).
    There are times when the stakes are high and the consequences of a decision are such that even politicians are called upon very simply to decide what is right and stand up and take a stand. The decision on the Iraq War was one of those times, without question. Hillary blew it, and can’t admit that. Obama got it right. That tells me volumes.

  30. Don’t Hillary me, Bro!

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  32. [...] Joe Tobacco: I’ve been of the opinion for quite some time now that the only way to move forward on Iraq in the current national mood is to put Democrats in charge of it. Even given the slim majority enjoyed by the Democrats in the current congress, their efforts in regard to Iraq have been ludicrously partisan, slanted severely towards their base, which wants nothing less than a complete capitulation in the war, and immediate and total withdrawal. The Democrats in Congress, along with their cheerleaders in the “netroots” don’t honestly believe that immediate withdrawal is the best policy…what they believe is that anything that would damage the Republican party would be good for the country. [...]

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